However, on the emotional level, I've always considered the sequence to be Joe's trip, even though we see shots of him. I feel like it is his gaze on himself.
I think I'd agree with this (I can hold many, often conflicting, opinions at the same time *g*). Maybe not as an extremely literal representation of his experience, but I think this scene (and the movie as a whole) revolve around Joe...and guess who Joe revolves around?
And then he says that Bucky was "robbed" This is around 2:00. OK, the first few times I saw the movie, I guess I imposed my own feelings on that remark. Bucky being robbed was Bucky having both his fucking legs amputated. It never dawned on me till I read Hard Core Roadshow that the intention in the script, by everyone who worked on it, and the actors was...Joe is saying Bucky was robbed of his being made into a legend by LIVING.
Oh holy crap. O.o That had never occurred to me--I'd gone with the whole robbed of his legs interpretation--but now that you point it out, it's obvious. Wow. Now I'm going to have to watch it again with this in mind.
If it IS intended as Joe's trip, perhaps the fakey film school style is Movie! Bruce's conception of how Joe sees things?
Interesting thought. And how patronizing is that of movie!Bruce? To reduce Joe's whole world-view down to some substandard rock montage? ...Grr, stupid movie!Bruce.
I have no choice but to believe that Joe has been considering suicide for months or years, partly as a means to what he thinks of as glory, and partly as an end to real pain.
Again, I totally agree with you. I wonder how explicitly Joe thought "If I can't get Billy back, I'm going to kill myself." God, those years after the band broke up must have such hell for Joe.
I am dreading HCL2, and haven't decided yet whether or not to ever see it.
I can't not see it. *g* The movie is perfect, and I'd hate to tarnish it with a crappy sequel...but I love these characters so much...I'll just have to see it. I think Joe Dick is one of my favorite characters of all time, and I don't make proclamations like that lightly.
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Date: 2007-11-22 05:03 pm (UTC)I think I'd agree with this (I can hold many, often conflicting, opinions at the same time *g*). Maybe not as an extremely literal representation of his experience, but I think this scene (and the movie as a whole) revolve around Joe...and guess who Joe revolves around?
And then he says that Bucky was "robbed" This is around 2:00. OK, the first few times I saw the movie, I guess I imposed my own feelings on that remark. Bucky being robbed was Bucky having both his fucking legs amputated. It never dawned on me till I read Hard Core Roadshow that the intention in the script, by everyone who worked on it, and the actors was...Joe is saying Bucky was robbed of his being made into a legend by LIVING.
Oh holy crap. O.o That had never occurred to me--I'd gone with the whole robbed of his legs interpretation--but now that you point it out, it's obvious. Wow. Now I'm going to have to watch it again with this in mind.
If it IS intended as Joe's trip, perhaps the fakey film school style is Movie! Bruce's conception of how Joe sees things?
Interesting thought. And how patronizing is that of movie!Bruce? To reduce Joe's whole world-view down to some substandard rock montage? ...Grr, stupid movie!Bruce.
I have no choice but to believe that Joe has been considering suicide for months or years, partly as a means to what he thinks of as glory, and partly as an end to real pain.
Again, I totally agree with you. I wonder how explicitly Joe thought "If I can't get Billy back, I'm going to kill myself." God, those years after the band broke up must have such hell for Joe.
I am dreading HCL2, and haven't decided yet whether or not to ever see it.
I can't not see it. *g* The movie is perfect, and I'd hate to tarnish it with a crappy sequel...but I love these characters so much...I'll just have to see it. I think Joe Dick is one of my favorite characters of all time, and I don't make proclamations like that lightly.