It's clear that both Bruces were trying to do SOMETHING with Joe and Billy's characters by including these shots, but I'm not sure I can pin down what with any certainty.
Yeah. I think most interpretations are probably valid--which doesn't mean I'm not going to twist the evidence to suit my own dark purpose. XD
It makes sense to me that Joe's suicide was to some extent spontaneous, not to mention alcohol-inspired, but only as spontaneous as that kind of death can be for someone who's toting a gun around for a goodly portion of the preceding days/weeks.
This is actually where this essay started--I wanted to try and figure out at just what point Joe started seriously thinking about offing himself. My opinion (which may change in five minutes) is that thought the form of Joe's suicide (shooting himself on camera after the Edmonton show) was impulsive the decision (to die if this bid for Billy failed) behind it wasn't. I don't know that he would explicitly plan on dying if he didn't get Billy back, but I do think he was extremely aware on some level that this was it, his last chance. It's not as impulsive as everyone says it is, I think is being my point. Yes, maybe.
I think it's how eerily calm he is there at the end that gets me. He know this was coming since he learned Billy was leaving--now's as good a time as any. He's almost...at peace. He's given it his best shot, they had a good run, and now there's nothing left to do but check out.
I'm not sure what you mean by the first sentence above. Also, it's been a while, but when IS Bruce seen on camera? I can't remember right now.
I think I meant that for most the movie, the perspective is pretty neutral third-person. We watch as spectators. Here I was suggesting (and rejecting) that for the acid trip we are taking film!Bruce's perspective (seeing as though we are Bruce). Off the top of my head the only place we formally see Bruce is at the beginning when he's explaining why he's doing the movie ("Joe made me an offer I couldn't refuse..."). We also catch sight of him (or parts of him) accepting the acid hit from Bucky, right before the "music, no coke" exchange, and after Joe shoots himself. Occasionally we hear but don't see him: asking questions, suggesting "Parenthood" for the movie game, gloating to himself after Billy's given away that he's joining Jenifur.
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Date: 2007-11-20 10:03 pm (UTC)Yeah. I think most interpretations are probably valid--which doesn't mean I'm not going to twist the evidence to suit my own dark purpose. XD
It makes sense to me that Joe's suicide was to some extent spontaneous, not to mention alcohol-inspired, but only as spontaneous as that kind of death can be for someone who's toting a gun around for a goodly portion of the preceding days/weeks.
This is actually where this essay started--I wanted to try and figure out at just what point Joe started seriously thinking about offing himself. My opinion (which may change in five minutes) is that thought the form of Joe's suicide (shooting himself on camera after the Edmonton show) was impulsive the decision (to die if this bid for Billy failed) behind it wasn't. I don't know that he would explicitly plan on dying if he didn't get Billy back, but I do think he was extremely aware on some level that this was it, his last chance. It's not as impulsive as everyone says it is, I think is being my point. Yes, maybe.
I think it's how eerily calm he is there at the end that gets me. He know this was coming since he learned Billy was leaving--now's as good a time as any. He's almost...at peace. He's given it his best shot, they had a good run, and now there's nothing left to do but check out.
I'm not sure what you mean by the first sentence above. Also, it's been a while, but when IS Bruce seen on camera? I can't remember right now.
I think I meant that for most the movie, the perspective is pretty neutral third-person. We watch as spectators. Here I was suggesting (and rejecting) that for the acid trip we are taking film!Bruce's perspective (seeing as though we are Bruce). Off the top of my head the only place we formally see Bruce is at the beginning when he's explaining why he's doing the movie ("Joe made me an offer I couldn't refuse..."). We also catch sight of him (or parts of him) accepting the acid hit from Bucky, right before the "music, no coke" exchange, and after Joe shoots himself. Occasionally we hear but don't see him: asking questions, suggesting "Parenthood" for the movie game, gloating to himself after Billy's given away that he's joining Jenifur.