Please have mercy as I have not seen the film as many times as I ought to have,
Actually, I'm kind of relying on your fresh perspective and clear thinking. I've watched the damn thing so many times and run through the same circles that my head spins and I don't know whether I'm coming or going. :P
But did film!Bruce put those images together somehow, or is that actual!Bruce?
I immediately get snagged on the the practical side of film!Bruce manufacturing the image. Did he cast look-alikes and try to re-create the tableau later? Digital special effects? Or, we don't actually see him take the acid (I don't think), maybe he was sober and for some reason decided to set up the images? But then, how would he know what he was foreshadowing?
I just find all these explanations awkward and excessively fan-wanky. On a strictly opinion basis, I think I"m going to accept that it (the scarecrow shot specifically, but, extending a bit, the whole acid trip scene as well) a clip from outside the documentary. If I do that, then I can reject Bruce as the central focus of the story. Of course, this is me just wanting the movie to be about firstly about Joe and Billy. I realize that wanting has never been considered a particularly sound argument, but there you are.
As to the question of who is manipulating whom, I think it's a two-way street. Joe used Bruce to lure Billy back. Billy used Bruce to tell Joe about Jenifur. Bruce manipulated Joe and Billy in his efforts to introduce more conflict into the narrative. Everybody really is an asshole in this flick.
I'm probably reading too much into it from a classical POV, but it is hard not to see The Bacchae here from that angle.
Hey, that makes two of us, because I thought the exact same. The power inequity between Joe and Bucky is striking. Joe himself puts Bucky on a pedestal and makes no buts about it. Billy, I would say, Joe treats as an equal, but everyone else Joe considers an inferior.
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Date: 2007-11-19 09:51 pm (UTC)Actually, I'm kind of relying on your fresh perspective and clear thinking. I've watched the damn thing so many times and run through the same circles that my head spins and I don't know whether I'm coming or going. :P
But did film!Bruce put those images together somehow, or is that actual!Bruce?
I immediately get snagged on the the practical side of film!Bruce manufacturing the image. Did he cast look-alikes and try to re-create the tableau later? Digital special effects? Or, we don't actually see him take the acid (I don't think), maybe he was sober and for some reason decided to set up the images? But then, how would he know what he was foreshadowing?
I just find all these explanations awkward and excessively fan-wanky. On a strictly opinion basis, I think I"m going to accept that it (the scarecrow shot specifically, but, extending a bit, the whole acid trip scene as well) a clip from outside the documentary. If I do that, then I can reject Bruce as the central focus of the story. Of course, this is me just wanting the movie to be about firstly about Joe and Billy. I realize that wanting has never been considered a particularly sound argument, but there you are.
As to the question of who is manipulating whom, I think it's a two-way street. Joe used Bruce to lure Billy back. Billy used Bruce to tell Joe about Jenifur. Bruce manipulated Joe and Billy in his efforts to introduce more conflict into the narrative. Everybody really is an asshole in this flick.
I'm probably reading too much into it from a classical POV, but it is hard not to see The Bacchae here from that angle.
Hey, that makes two of us, because I thought the exact same. The power inequity between Joe and Bucky is striking. Joe himself puts Bucky on a pedestal and makes no buts about it. Billy, I would say, Joe treats as an equal, but everyone else Joe considers an inferior.